The two previous posts are linked and relevant not least because of the disgusting cringe making Scottish Questions in Westminster this week. The performance of Murphy and his cohorts was utterly contemptible.
But it is absolutely in line with what happened on Newsnicht on Thursday where we had the anti-English pot stirred again.
What Labour are so deperately trying to do is raise smoke screens all over the place and ramp up the anti-SNP rhetoric to cover up the rotten stench coming from Glenrothes.
No politician will say this but Labour / have form on this, and I truly believe with all my heart that some one on the dark side shredded these documents. A voting register is a very substantial amount of paper, which would have taken a long time to shred. It is not one sheet of paper that would blow away because renovation work was taking place on the nick.
The smart arsed remark from the reluctant Labour MP Roy was just pure contempt. He should be furious and kicking down doors as it is the only way he can show that the election was legal and above board. Calum Cashley makes a good point, there is another way.
You could sense the naked anger bordering on sectarian hatred emanating fromMurphy on Scottish Questions. As the governor general of Scotland he is the one who's job it is to make elections safe and above board in Scotland. On that he has failed. As Douglas Alexander failed.
The background chattering and mocking laughter that takes place during Scottish questions is testament to the desire of the Westminster gravy train elite that they have nothing but contempt for Scots.
When their naked hostility causes Mr Speaker who is one of them to chastise them, it shows us just how bad things have got. This story will run and run.
Referendum now please Alex, bring it on please.
From a Scotsman.
Showing posts with label Glenrothes. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Glenrothes. Show all posts
Friday, 6 February 2009
Glenrothes stinks.
Tricia Marwick, MSP for Central Fife
Published Date: 04 February 2009
AN INQUIRY has been launched after it was revealed court staff in Kirkcaldy may have shredded the only record of who voted in a crucial Westminster by-election.
The marked electoral register - the document on which officials cross off names of voters as they place their ballots - from last year's Glenrothes by-election has gone missing from Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court.
The SNP requested the documents in November, but were informed on Friday that they had gone astray.
Now the Scottish Court Service is instigating an external investigation into the circumstances of the loss.
Tricia Marwick, MSP for Central Fife said: "The marked registers are an essential element of any election campaign.
They allow a check of who voted – but not how they voted – to confirm that the election was conducted properly.
''Without these records there is no evidence of either a fair or unfair election.
''This undermines the confidence of everyone who took part."
She added: "It is almost beyond belief that a by-election which attracted media coverage throughout the UK, which delivered such a surprise result and had a much higher turnout than anticipated now has no records to show who actually voted.
"There now needs to be the fullest independent inquiry.
''The registers must have gone missing almost immediately after they were delivered to the Sheriff Clerk's Office because we first asked for copies on November 19.
''I also want to know why we were not told that they had gone missing when we first started to make inquiries about examining them."
Under current electoral law the marked register and voting papers are kept by the Sheriff Clerk for a year following an election.
These can be requested for analysis by candidates and their campaigners.
Eleanor Emberson, Chief Executive of the Scottish Court Service said: "It is important for all concerned to establish what happened to the marked register. We know that we still hold other documentation relating to the Glenrothes by-election but that this register is missing.
"I deeply regret and apologise for this loss and am arranging for the matter to be fully and independently investigated."
Labour welcomed the inquiry, but called Tricia Marwick's comments "crazy" and described them as "dirty tricks and sour grapes rolled into one"
A spokesman said: "Lindsay Roy won because of the incompetence of the SNP locally and nationally. The ballot papers were counted fair and square in front of the eyes of the world.
"Ms Marwick's comments are an insult to the intelligence of Fifers. She simply cannot accept that they decided to vote for Labour, not her party."
Labour beat the SNP in last year's vote, sending former Kirkcaldy High School headteacher Mr Roy to the House of Commons.
The SNP requested the documents in November, but were informed on Friday that they had gone astray.
Now the Scottish Court Service is instigating an external investigation into the circumstances of the loss.
Tricia Marwick, MSP for Central Fife said: "The marked registers are an essential element of any election campaign.
They allow a check of who voted – but not how they voted – to confirm that the election was conducted properly.
''Without these records there is no evidence of either a fair or unfair election.
''This undermines the confidence of everyone who took part."
She added: "It is almost beyond belief that a by-election which attracted media coverage throughout the UK, which delivered such a surprise result and had a much higher turnout than anticipated now has no records to show who actually voted.
"There now needs to be the fullest independent inquiry.
''The registers must have gone missing almost immediately after they were delivered to the Sheriff Clerk's Office because we first asked for copies on November 19.
''I also want to know why we were not told that they had gone missing when we first started to make inquiries about examining them."
Under current electoral law the marked register and voting papers are kept by the Sheriff Clerk for a year following an election.
These can be requested for analysis by candidates and their campaigners.
Eleanor Emberson, Chief Executive of the Scottish Court Service said: "It is important for all concerned to establish what happened to the marked register. We know that we still hold other documentation relating to the Glenrothes by-election but that this register is missing.
"I deeply regret and apologise for this loss and am arranging for the matter to be fully and independently investigated."
Labour welcomed the inquiry, but called Tricia Marwick's comments "crazy" and described them as "dirty tricks and sour grapes rolled into one"
A spokesman said: "Lindsay Roy won because of the incompetence of the SNP locally and nationally. The ballot papers were counted fair and square in front of the eyes of the world.
"Ms Marwick's comments are an insult to the intelligence of Fifers. She simply cannot accept that they decided to vote for Labour, not her party."
Labour beat the SNP in last year's vote, sending former Kirkcaldy High School headteacher Mr Roy to the House of Commons.
Wednesday, 4 February 2009
Glenrothes election fraud.
Labour, can teach him nothing.
Had to blog as the Glenrothes story is growing legs even as we blog. The reason I think, as do many others that something illegal has happened is because Labour have form on this going back decades. That plus the fact that they are confirmed as corrupt lying sleazy shop stewards, tells me if it smells of sleaze then it is sleaze, and Labour will be in the thick of it. If this is uncovered as I think it will be, then this will be the tipping point for Scottish Independence. We need an independent enquiry now by the UN and the EU. And I am writing to every one I can think of to say that.
The following is copied from Scottish Mediawatch todays issue:
How it's Done
From Donald Anderson
Former Senior SSP Member
Electoral Fraud in the 1970s
In the mid 70’s I acted as a polling clerk in two municipal elections, two years running in Glasgow. I was a mature student at Strathclyde and a mature student friend, of the same political persuasion, was also a clerk at the next polling Station. I was at the Round Toll and he was further down Cowcaddens. The old tenements were still there and this was in the height of the Glasgow Clearances.
It soon became evident that all the staff were Labourites. One was a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain. The words “communist” and “Great” Britain obviously presented no problem to him. I immediately concentrated on him, talking about John MacLean and his international Socialism, being careful not to mention his stand on a Scottish Workers Republic and his persecution from the Great British State, the Labour Party and the CP of GB. I had to stifle myself when the Labourites joined in, even more ignorant of socialism, then the GB member.
I was one of them, a British Nationalist Labourite, they thought. So they laid into the SNP and I managed to bite my tongue. They showed me how to stuff the ballot boxes during the quiet spells, of which there were many. They stamped ballot papers and put their crosses next to the Labour candidate and shoved them into the box. If someone came in and their vote was already used, they just scored the next one off the electors roll with a ruler. The voter could hardly notice this, as the Roll would be upside down to them and they were usually confused as to procedure.
Towards closing time a (now deceased) cousin of mine, Sammy Halliday, came to vote, rather the worse for wear after his shift as foreman on the ashfelt and his shift in the pub afterwards. His dunkey jaikit, working claes and boots were covered in ashfelt. He immediately recognised me and dumped a broon paper parcel of ham ribs on my Elector’s roll, proclaiming to all and sundry. “Haw. That’s mah wee cousin. I’m votin’ for him. He’s SNP. "Up the Scottish Socialist Republic.” Was I mortified? I can still picture the Pom Frits’ furious and helpless faces. There was nothing they could do about me. Usually, they are always running to the polis station with the pettiest of complaints about the SNP. When my cousin finally realised something was up, the clerks, rather unsportingly for Old Firm fans, refused his generous offer of a Skwerr go ootside. My own disappointment at their refusal to fight was soon dispelled when he offered me the ham ribs and telt me no’ to gie thae basturts ony. I took them hame tae the wife. I’m too good tae her.
My chum, at the next polling station, loudly declared is allegiance to an Independent Scotland at the end of the evening and gave them some anatomical advice on stuffing their papers. Between the pair of us I reckon we outvoted the Labour Fiddlers Rally and the winner was the late Angus MacIntosh, SNP Cooncillor for Coocaddens. I tried to advise the SNP to get everyone to act as Polling Clerks each election and outvote the paid Labour Clerks. But, did they listen?
I’m 71 noo and they can go the polis if they like. Or better still, try and take it oot the nose. I’m still up for it.
Tuesday, 3 February 2009
Mr T on election fraud in Glenrothes.
Now then Mr Traquir has unearthed a very interesting nugget on The Scotsman forum I do hope he will forgive me for reproducing it but I am an avid reader of his comments:
"THE ONLY official record of who voted in a Westminster by-election that rocked the political world has mysteriously gone missing placing a question mark over the result."
"All the major parties, including Labour on election night itself, had predicted that the nationalists would narrowly win the seat, which borders Prime Minister Gordon’s Brown’s constituency.
The Labour victory sent shockwaves through the SNP and was the catalyst for a revival of Labour’s fortunes nationally." - Not for long of course :)
"Candidates and their agents are allowed to see a copy of the register, which records only who voted and not how they voted.
However, after repeated requests for the document last month, Councillor John Beare, the convener of the SNP Central Fife constituency, has been told that it has gone missing."
Last night Central Fife SNP MSP Tricia Marwick said
“All I can say for sure is that the crucial information that proves it one way or another has gone missing.
“I have no evidence of foul play. I sincerely hope not. But the turnout at this by-election surprised everyone and the result was a surprise."
see - tinyurl.com/b28kcf
The Broon bounce has bust anyway , I wonder
how much the saviour of the World would be up
to a rerun :)
Traquir , Alba,
03/02/2009 00:54:37 Well this is quite interesting."THE ONLY official record of who voted in a Westminster by-election that rocked the political world has mysteriously gone missing placing a question mark over the result."
"All the major parties, including Labour on election night itself, had predicted that the nationalists would narrowly win the seat, which borders Prime Minister Gordon’s Brown’s constituency.
The Labour victory sent shockwaves through the SNP and was the catalyst for a revival of Labour’s fortunes nationally." - Not for long of course :)
"Candidates and their agents are allowed to see a copy of the register, which records only who voted and not how they voted.
However, after repeated requests for the document last month, Councillor John Beare, the convener of the SNP Central Fife constituency, has been told that it has gone missing."
Last night Central Fife SNP MSP Tricia Marwick said
“All I can say for sure is that the crucial information that proves it one way or another has gone missing.
“I have no evidence of foul play. I sincerely hope not. But the turnout at this by-election surprised everyone and the result was a surprise."
see - tinyurl.com/b28kcf
The Broon bounce has bust anyway , I wonder
how much the saviour of the World would be up
to a rerun :)
Monday, 3 November 2008
Labour minutes
WHO'S PANICKING?
A few highlights - in some kind of order.
Party in Fife not geared up for modern campaigning, across Fife 5.5 % swing to SNP. They work hard to indentify support and get them out. Key thing [for SNP] reliability of information coming in.
Identity – SNP have taken the Saltire. Labour has red flags, they have Scotland flags.
[Labour] No attraction for young people, out of date, ethos is South of England based and does not resonate in Scotland.
Symbolism of SNP and Saltire used politically needs to addressed.
Scottish Labour identity, Thistle may be identifier. Kat Morrison says Labour’s indentity in Scotland – need more connection. Not just kilts and flags – Red Thistles talked about for years.
PROUD TO BE LABOUR – indenitity and profile.
Proud to be Scottish Labour. More advertising – Fife Labour Logo.
Local – services to elderly, services to young people. Incontinence pads, no money to increase to bigger size.
Incompetence thrives in the council and needs to be addressed. Customer scoring system is needed.
Support from HQ welcomed, but needs local level support – small number of volunteers. Lost support of Student movement/NUS.
SNP have one-off chance for independence – feel good factor.
2010 Nov maximum profile and view on independence.
25-16% flat line support for independence. SNP well organised. Salmond 60pts ahead of where Swinney was.
SNP did not save Callaghan and let the Tories in.
GB should stay more GB than presidential. Tony B was showman, charismatic with brains behind him. [GB] Serious politician with lack of brains behind him.
TRANSCRIPT
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
ClBalgonie new payment from FC to Moffet & (illegible). Bought bus back from Stagecoach.
LABOUR GROUP AWAY DAY 17/24
MR.- Tackle Salmond. West Fife - Chapman never out of Press.
Focus on Nationalists. Campaigning strategy needs to be worked on.
A.R.- Inviting dialogue on gathering views on how we work together and what what our priorities should be, Need to be confident and promote Labour. Big issues - Social work and Housing Cuts. Better coordinate media work. Kingdom FM better contact needed. AR saying busy in morning dry time
Labour Group newsletter done and sent out to all LP members in Fife. Drive further on Coal issues. Feedback form included.
Glasgow By-election - Party in Fife not geared up for modern campaigning - across Fife 5.5% swing to SNP. They work hard to identify their support and get them out. Hold masses of data on SNP support - organisation compared to (illegible) & West Fife LP organisation was was much better. Key Thing was reliability of information coming in. People had voted SNP but we had Them as Labour voters . SNP info was more pliable(?) than ours.
SNP candidate Glasgow councillor - very popular - he got back to (illegible) people, he put off time with people, he kept in touch.
Identity - SNP have taken THE SALTIRE. SNP cllrs are not working the wards. Lab has red flags they have Scotland flags.
TRUST - never seen LABOUR - negative G.B not an issue - Pilot campaign in Levenmouth/(illegible) we fund freepost for that that pilot - follow up will be to Trades Unions for funding. Use contract creator to harness information. Alex got 140 responses even though they had to put a stamp on to respond.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Significantly responses included e-mail and telephone contact. We will run training from office to set up databases.
Mark will be campaign coordinator for Levenmouth area.
Kelty C.C. going crazy on bus cuts.
Cut back on criticism and generate action and if mistakes happen.
SUNDAY 1030 Benaty - some letters to deliver - Take SNP on - non positive on Labour negative on SNP - (illegible) on Liberals - Thomas very active
Bill McColluch - freepost working well in Diline West Fife.
JH- Lost touch as Party - At Coop summerfest youth programme ran concurrently - no attraction for young people - out of date - ethos is South of England based and it does not resonate in Scotland.
Don't gel as a group - seperate people doing our things.
Constantly dealing with constituents - dont understand all issues.
Betty Cumphile(?)- more education needed. I interact with people well enough - people contacted me and Peter Grat who said. Auchnusty(?) Macedonia have had newsletter. Kinglanse(?) is getting isolated. Betty had problems hearing.
LGroup has value for her as new cllr.
Have to complain (illegible) 3 times to get things done New locality manager may help.
Symbolism of SNP and SALTIRE used politically needs to be addressed ass Lab Grp perhaps at enough car stickers, lapel badges, bumper stickers
Ther is an SNP movement - Lab movement has stagnated
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Trades Union contact. Need to sort out things like worker nights. Indus action simpler smoother process.
Cost to CLPs for Labour material is too expensive locally - incompetence Thrives in The Council and customer scoring system is needed.
Tom Adams - what structure do we have where members have a direct say. Dont see management structure.
South Labour identity - Thistle may be our identifier
More affordable to join - better with 4 people at £5 Than 1 person at £20. By-election - economy was not an issue but economy is huge issue - price of gas will put people out of.
Leadership in Scotland is lacking in Party. F.C. on strike - what can we do - on picket lines?
Kay Morrison - Labour's identity in Scotland - need more connection. Not just kilts and flags - Red Thistles talked about for years - work better as group - efect of cuts. More focus more organised - support from HQ welcomed but needs local level support - small number of volunteers - dont pressure The small group. How can we effectively target. Personal identity Labour allegiance and pride in being.
Structure local cllr meetings - plan for creation and delivery of newsletters. Desireability if team meeting regularly writing to all local newspapers would need to be formalised. PROUD TO BE LABOUR. IDENTITY AND PROFILE.
Bill McC - not just an identity issue more complicated.
A.R. wider policy agenda. SNP are riding an identity.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Labour + Trades Union movement - we need to re-focus to That - fell part of movement and family - Party structures are important and we need to review(?) Press pack influencing leadership - Those who are disloyal will weaken and defeat us. We dont do business Through media.
LOCAL - Services to elderly, services to young people
- incontinence (illegible) no (illegible) to increase to bigger size
- Nationally we are not together.
Biggest bus cuts ever locally - hospital + Education - schools - FutureTrust nothing(?) in This Parliament. Economy Tourism (illegible) - Tourism in Fife down from 38 to 9 - East of Scotland team in ML office - only 12.5m for local regeneration. Support down south in construction - no support in Scotland Food & Drink & Tourism - funding cut - none for training - work together.
Claire - How we behaved in Govt - focus on govt and lost touch with local organisations. Student Support and Higher Ed - work with Student movement/NUS. Office in Methil(?) - positive feedback - Central Heating Programme - God local press strategy and keep pressure on Tricia.
John Parlc- lack of acceptance about where we were. View was minority would unravel in weeks. Wendy did the right thing. We governed with longer term decision making - SNP have one-off chance for independence - feelgood factor 2010 NOB mamimum profile and view on independence. 25-26% flatline support now for independence.
SNP well organised party. Salmond 60pts ahead of
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
where (illegible) was. Salmond maybe biggest strength but possibly biggest weakness. Working with cllrs in (illegible) Billy liddle, Upper Forth Crossing, By.Pas campaign, re-regulation of buses. People want Labour to do well in Glasgow East - (illegible).
Thomas Docherly(?) - All member meets (illegible), cllr report, MOP, MSP report. Scrapped G.C. meetings to quaterly. Monthly fundraising - hosting hustings at East End Park on 24 August.
Since NOV (illegible) 40,000 leaflets and 20,000 direct mail. Surveys and canvasing proposes(?) - Big plan canvas 38%(?) Aug in May 40% Postal Vote strategy by raised.
Bob Eadie - 10 months to Euro election Debate in
RICHARD, CLAIR + BOB, C - Email them as I am talking to Pensioners Group (ticked).
Single outcome agreement - No money behind it - Trojan Horse - Govt will blame local authority for not delivering - Ringfencing was not liked by LA's - (illegible) - we were not listened to by our leaders - How front bench listen - everyone wants to be listened to -
Glasgow East - local cllrs did not do anything, MSP and MP did not put too much out.
Thomas - we target message to communities
Raymond - Values not Income.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Proud to be Scottish Labour. More advertising - Fife Labour logo - Mark will work on That.
Identify vote - mountain of work - concentrate on database. Identify vote in streets - cuts in social work should be with SNP in Fife.
Experience of Housing Services - cllr has to follow up regularly to get this done - filling gap by chasing around. Local S.N has broken down. 1st rate staff with 3rd rate systems and (illegible) processes. Deaf Community.
Ieun Crichton - dont need to wrap myself in tartan, SNP has momentum. IF you are not SNP you lack Scottishness. Address what's Labour ever done for us.
Closer links with Labour and Trades Unions. Getting rid of Incapacity Benefit - Why? Work for benefits release during election probably cost - G.B photo with Thatcher big mistake - SNP did not save Callaghan and let Tories in. Use of socialism or socialist. Most people who contact me probably have not voted and dont know who I am.
Raymond - Party - proud of very local Kinglamie(?, Fife, Scottish, UK international - Saltire with Rose as logo - GB should stay more GB than Presidential - Tony B was showman, charismatic with brains behind him. Serious politician with lack of brains behind him Blairite/Brownite disastrous needs to stop. Local and(?) Nah press against us. Cllr + MSP need to know bigger picture on how we will come Through This.
(Illegible)/popular/politics SNP do well. Glasgow fought OK fight well but lost on local views. Party too close to Industry leaders - get back to
NEW PAGE
JIM WARD
Alex Rowley - John Simpson has come off all Strategic Committees - He has stopped surgeries(?) but he will start back again, PFAM - Mike Rumney ST(?) + AUDIT -
Social work -
Scottish Ass L. Cllrs - Plans on Scottish Policy Forum - 1 man 1 woman - Let D.Ross know. New Group meal schedule will be circulated.
(Illegible) and Levenmouth Pilot with Meurle(?) as Coordinator leaflet for Gleus(?) area of Kily which is part of ASB biggest policy issue. Work ward by ward to get leaflets out.
Spokesperson meeting in next week or so. (Illegible) in group on Communications needs sorted - Lots of material to attack on. ML coordination of MSP meetings needs to be addressed.
Discuss attendance and input to Committees of Fife Council.
Area clTee(?) needs ability to scrutinise Partnerships which have major spending priorities.
Campaign Against Charges - Working with Independents and Tories - concerted effort, All Opposition parties working together. 9/9 next social work & Health clTee(?). Mark will send round The questions and be asked on social work charges.
24/8 2PM East End Park Need to register at Scottish Labour Office - online or e-mail. D.Ross will forward.TRANSCRIPT
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
ClBalgonie new payment from FC to Moffet & (illegible). Bought bus back from Stagecoach.
LABOUR GROUP AWAY DAY 17/24
MR.- Tackle Salmond. West Fife - Chapman never out of Press.
Focus on Nationalists. Campaigning strategy needs to be worked on.
A.R.- Inviting dialogue on gathering views on how we work together and what what our priorities should be, Need to be confident and promote Labour. Big issues - Social work and Housing Cuts. Better coordinate media work. Kingdom FM better contact needed. AR saying busy in morning dry time
Labour Group newsletter done and sent out to all LP members in Fife. Drive further on Coal issues. Feedback form included.
Glasgow By-election - Party in Fife not geared up for modern campaigning - across Fife 5.5% swing to SNP. They work hard to identify their support and get them out. Hold masses of data on SNP support - organisation compared to (illegible) & West Fife LP organisation was was much better. Key Thing was reliability of information coming in. People had voted SNP but we had Them as Labour voters . SNP info was more pliable(?) than ours.
SNP candidate Glasgow councillor - very popular - he got back to (illegible) people, he put off time with people, he kept in touch.
Identity - SNP have taken THE SALTIRE. SNP cllrs are not working the wards. Lab has red flags they have Scotland flags.
TRUST - never seen LABOUR - negative G.B not an issue - Pilot campaign in Levenmouth/(illegible) we fund freepost for that that pilot - follow up will be to Trades Unions for funding. Use contract creator to harness information. Alex got 140 responses even though they had to put a stamp on to respond.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Significantly responses included e-mail and telephone contact. We will run training from office to set up databases.
Mark will be campaign coordinator for Levenmouth area.
Kelty C.C. going crazy on bus cuts.
Cut back on criticism and generate action and if mistakes happen.
SUNDAY 1030 Benaty - some letters to deliver - Take SNP on - non positive on Labour negative on SNP - (illegible) on Liberals - Thomas very active
Bill McColluch - freepost working well in Diline West Fife.
JH- Lost touch as Party - At Coop summerfest youth programme ran concurrently - no attraction for young people - out of date - ethos is South of England based and it does not resonate in Scotland.
Don't gel as a group - seperate people doing our things.
Constantly dealing with constituents - dont understand all issues.
Betty Cumphile(?)- more education needed. I interact with people well enough - people contacted me and Peter Grat who said. Auchnusty(?) Macedonia have had newsletter. Kinglanse(?) is getting isolated. Betty had problems hearing.
LGroup has value for her as new cllr.
Have to complain (illegible) 3 times to get things done New locality manager may help.
Symbolism of SNP and SALTIRE used politically needs to be addressed ass Lab Grp perhaps at enough car stickers, lapel badges, bumper stickers
Ther is an SNP movement - Lab movement has stagnated
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Trades Union contact. Need to sort out things like worker nights. Indus action simpler smoother process.
Cost to CLPs for Labour material is too expensive locally - incompetence Thrives in The Council and customer scoring system is needed.
Tom Adams - what structure do we have where members have a direct say. Dont see management structure.
South Labour identity - Thistle may be our identifier
More affordable to join - better with 4 people at £5 Than 1 person at £20. By-election - economy was not an issue but economy is huge issue - price of gas will put people out of.
Leadership in Scotland is lacking in Party. F.C. on strike - what can we do - on picket lines?
Kay Morrison - Labour's identity in Scotland - need more connection. Not just kilts and flags - Red Thistles talked about for years - work better as group - efect of cuts. More focus more organised - support from HQ welcomed but needs local level support - small number of volunteers - dont pressure The small group. How can we effectively target. Personal identity Labour allegiance and pride in being.
Structure local cllr meetings - plan for creation and delivery of newsletters. Desireability if team meeting regularly writing to all local newspapers would need to be formalised. PROUD TO BE LABOUR. IDENTITY AND PROFILE.
Bill McC - not just an identity issue more complicated.
A.R. wider policy agenda. SNP are riding an identity.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Labour + Trades Union movement - we need to re-focus to That - fell part of movement and family - Party structures are important and we need to review(?) Press pack influencing leadership - Those who are disloyal will weaken and defeat us. We dont do business Through media.
LOCAL - Services to elderly, services to young people
- incontinence (illegible) no (illegible) to increase to bigger size
- Nationally we are not together.
Biggest bus cuts ever locally - hospital + Education - schools - FutureTrust nothing(?) in This Parliament. Economy Tourism (illegible) - Tourism in Fife down from 38 to 9 - East of Scotland team in ML office - only 12.5m for local regeneration. Support down south in construction - no support in Scotland Food & Drink & Tourism - funding cut - none for training - work together.
Claire - How we behaved in Govt - focus on govt and lost touch with local organisations. Student Support and Higher Ed - work with Student movement/NUS. Office in Methil(?) - positive feedback - Central Heating Programme - God local press strategy and keep pressure on Tricia.
John Parlc- lack of acceptance about where we were. View was minority would unravel in weeks. Wendy did the right thing. We governed with longer term decision making - SNP have one-off chance for independence - feelgood factor 2010 NOB mamimum profile and view on independence. 25-26% flatline support now for independence.
SNP well organised party. Salmond 60pts ahead of
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
where (illegible) was. Salmond maybe biggest strength but possibly biggest weakness. Working with cllrs in (illegible) Billy liddle, Upper Forth Crossing, By.Pas campaign, re-regulation of buses. People want Labour to do well in Glasgow East - (illegible).
Thomas Docherly(?) - All member meets (illegible), cllr report, MOP, MSP report. Scrapped G.C. meetings to quaterly. Monthly fundraising - hosting hustings at East End Park on 24 August.
Since NOV (illegible) 40,000 leaflets and 20,000 direct mail. Surveys and canvasing proposes(?) - Big plan canvas 38%(?) Aug in May 40% Postal Vote strategy by raised.
Bob Eadie - 10 months to Euro election Debate in
RICHARD, CLAIR + BOB, C - Email them as I am talking to Pensioners Group (ticked).
Single outcome agreement - No money behind it - Trojan Horse - Govt will blame local authority for not delivering - Ringfencing was not liked by LA's - (illegible) - we were not listened to by our leaders - How front bench listen - everyone wants to be listened to -
Glasgow East - local cllrs did not do anything, MSP and MP did not put too much out.
Thomas - we target message to communities
Raymond - Values not Income.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Proud to be Scottish Labour. More advertising - Fife Labour logo - Mark will work on That.
Identify vote - mountain of work - concentrate on database. Identify vote in streets - cuts in social work should be with SNP in Fife.
Experience of Housing Services - cllr has to follow up regularly to get this done - filling gap by chasing around. Local S.N has broken down. 1st rate staff with 3rd rate systems and (illegible) processes. Deaf Community.
Ieun Crichton - dont need to wrap myself in tartan, SNP has momentum. IF you are not SNP you lack Scottishness. Address what's Labour ever done for us.
Closer links with Labour and Trades Unions. Getting rid of Incapacity Benefit - Why? Work for benefits release during election probably cost - G.B photo with Thatcher big mistake - SNP did not save Callaghan and let Tories in. Use of socialism or socialist. Most people who contact me probably have not voted and dont know who I am.
Raymond - Party - proud of very local Kinglamie(?, Fife, Scottish, UK international - Saltire with Rose as logo - GB should stay more GB than Presidential - Tony B was showman, charismatic with brains behind him. Serious politician with lack of brains behind him Blairite/Brownite disastrous needs to stop. Local and(?) Nah press against us. Cllr + MSP need to know bigger picture on how we will come Through This.
(Illegible)/popular/politics SNP do well. Glasgow fought OK fight well but lost on local views. Party too close to Industry leaders - get back to
NEW PAGE
JIM WARD
Alex Rowley - John Simpson has come off all Strategic Committees - He has stopped surgeries(?) but he will start back again, PFAM - Mike Rumney ST(?) + AUDIT -
Social work -
Scottish Ass L. Cllrs - Plans on Scottish Policy Forum - 1 man 1 woman - Let D.Ross know. New Group meal schedule will be circulated.
(Illegible) and Levenmouth Pilot with Meurle(?) as Coordinator leaflet for Gleus(?) area of Kily which is part of ASB biggest policy issue. Work ward by ward to get leaflets out.
Spokesperson meeting in next week or so. (Illegible) in group on Communications needs sorted - Lots of material to attack on. ML coordination of MSP meetings needs to be addressed.
Discuss attendance and input to Committees of Fife Council.
Area clTee(?) needs ability to scrutinise Partnerships which have major spending priorities.
Campaign Against Charges - Working with Independents and Tories - concerted effort, All Opposition parties working together. 9/9 next social work & Health clTee(?). Mark will send round The questions and be asked on social work charges.
24/8 2PM East End Park Need to register at Scottish Labour Office - online or e-mail. D.Ross will forward.
A few highlights - in some kind of order.
Party in Fife not geared up for modern campaigning, across Fife 5.5 % swing to SNP. They work hard to indentify support and get them out. Key thing [for SNP] reliability of information coming in.
Identity – SNP have taken the Saltire. Labour has red flags, they have Scotland flags.
[Labour] No attraction for young people, out of date, ethos is South of England based and does not resonate in Scotland.
Symbolism of SNP and Saltire used politically needs to addressed.
Scottish Labour identity, Thistle may be identifier. Kat Morrison says Labour’s indentity in Scotland – need more connection. Not just kilts and flags – Red Thistles talked about for years.
PROUD TO BE LABOUR – indenitity and profile.
Proud to be Scottish Labour. More advertising – Fife Labour Logo.
Local – services to elderly, services to young people. Incontinence pads, no money to increase to bigger size.
Incompetence thrives in the council and needs to be addressed. Customer scoring system is needed.
Support from HQ welcomed, but needs local level support – small number of volunteers. Lost support of Student movement/NUS.
SNP have one-off chance for independence – feel good factor.
2010 Nov maximum profile and view on independence.
25-16% flat line support for independence. SNP well organised. Salmond 60pts ahead of where Swinney was.
SNP did not save Callaghan and let the Tories in.
GB should stay more GB than presidential. Tony B was showman, charismatic with brains behind him. [GB] Serious politician with lack of brains behind him.
TRANSCRIPT
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
ClBalgonie new payment from FC to Moffet & (illegible). Bought bus back from Stagecoach.
LABOUR GROUP AWAY DAY 17/24
MR.- Tackle Salmond. West Fife - Chapman never out of Press.
Focus on Nationalists. Campaigning strategy needs to be worked on.
A.R.- Inviting dialogue on gathering views on how we work together and what what our priorities should be, Need to be confident and promote Labour. Big issues - Social work and Housing Cuts. Better coordinate media work. Kingdom FM better contact needed. AR saying busy in morning dry time
Labour Group newsletter done and sent out to all LP members in Fife. Drive further on Coal issues. Feedback form included.
Glasgow By-election - Party in Fife not geared up for modern campaigning - across Fife 5.5% swing to SNP. They work hard to identify their support and get them out. Hold masses of data on SNP support - organisation compared to (illegible) & West Fife LP organisation was was much better. Key Thing was reliability of information coming in. People had voted SNP but we had Them as Labour voters . SNP info was more pliable(?) than ours.
SNP candidate Glasgow councillor - very popular - he got back to (illegible) people, he put off time with people, he kept in touch.
Identity - SNP have taken THE SALTIRE. SNP cllrs are not working the wards. Lab has red flags they have Scotland flags.
TRUST - never seen LABOUR - negative G.B not an issue - Pilot campaign in Levenmouth/(illegible) we fund freepost for that that pilot - follow up will be to Trades Unions for funding. Use contract creator to harness information. Alex got 140 responses even though they had to put a stamp on to respond.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Significantly responses included e-mail and telephone contact. We will run training from office to set up databases.
Mark will be campaign coordinator for Levenmouth area.
Kelty C.C. going crazy on bus cuts.
Cut back on criticism and generate action and if mistakes happen.
SUNDAY 1030 Benaty - some letters to deliver - Take SNP on - non positive on Labour negative on SNP - (illegible) on Liberals - Thomas very active
Bill McColluch - freepost working well in Diline West Fife.
JH- Lost touch as Party - At Coop summerfest youth programme ran concurrently - no attraction for young people - out of date - ethos is South of England based and it does not resonate in Scotland.
Don't gel as a group - seperate people doing our things.
Constantly dealing with constituents - dont understand all issues.
Betty Cumphile(?)- more education needed. I interact with people well enough - people contacted me and Peter Grat who said. Auchnusty(?) Macedonia have had newsletter. Kinglanse(?) is getting isolated. Betty had problems hearing.
LGroup has value for her as new cllr.
Have to complain (illegible) 3 times to get things done New locality manager may help.
Symbolism of SNP and SALTIRE used politically needs to be addressed ass Lab Grp perhaps at enough car stickers, lapel badges, bumper stickers
Ther is an SNP movement - Lab movement has stagnated
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Trades Union contact. Need to sort out things like worker nights. Indus action simpler smoother process.
Cost to CLPs for Labour material is too expensive locally - incompetence Thrives in The Council and customer scoring system is needed.
Tom Adams - what structure do we have where members have a direct say. Dont see management structure.
South Labour identity - Thistle may be our identifier
More affordable to join - better with 4 people at £5 Than 1 person at £20. By-election - economy was not an issue but economy is huge issue - price of gas will put people out of.
Leadership in Scotland is lacking in Party. F.C. on strike - what can we do - on picket lines?
Kay Morrison - Labour's identity in Scotland - need more connection. Not just kilts and flags - Red Thistles talked about for years - work better as group - efect of cuts. More focus more organised - support from HQ welcomed but needs local level support - small number of volunteers - dont pressure The small group. How can we effectively target. Personal identity Labour allegiance and pride in being.
Structure local cllr meetings - plan for creation and delivery of newsletters. Desireability if team meeting regularly writing to all local newspapers would need to be formalised. PROUD TO BE LABOUR. IDENTITY AND PROFILE.
Bill McC - not just an identity issue more complicated.
A.R. wider policy agenda. SNP are riding an identity.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Labour + Trades Union movement - we need to re-focus to That - fell part of movement and family - Party structures are important and we need to review(?) Press pack influencing leadership - Those who are disloyal will weaken and defeat us. We dont do business Through media.
LOCAL - Services to elderly, services to young people
- incontinence (illegible) no (illegible) to increase to bigger size
- Nationally we are not together.
Biggest bus cuts ever locally - hospital + Education - schools - FutureTrust nothing(?) in This Parliament. Economy Tourism (illegible) - Tourism in Fife down from 38 to 9 - East of Scotland team in ML office - only 12.5m for local regeneration. Support down south in construction - no support in Scotland Food & Drink & Tourism - funding cut - none for training - work together.
Claire - How we behaved in Govt - focus on govt and lost touch with local organisations. Student Support and Higher Ed - work with Student movement/NUS. Office in Methil(?) - positive feedback - Central Heating Programme - God local press strategy and keep pressure on Tricia.
John Parlc- lack of acceptance about where we were. View was minority would unravel in weeks. Wendy did the right thing. We governed with longer term decision making - SNP have one-off chance for independence - feelgood factor 2010 NOB mamimum profile and view on independence. 25-26% flatline support now for independence.
SNP well organised party. Salmond 60pts ahead of
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
where (illegible) was. Salmond maybe biggest strength but possibly biggest weakness. Working with cllrs in (illegible) Billy liddle, Upper Forth Crossing, By.Pas campaign, re-regulation of buses. People want Labour to do well in Glasgow East - (illegible).
Thomas Docherly(?) - All member meets (illegible), cllr report, MOP, MSP report. Scrapped G.C. meetings to quaterly. Monthly fundraising - hosting hustings at East End Park on 24 August.
Since NOV (illegible) 40,000 leaflets and 20,000 direct mail. Surveys and canvasing proposes(?) - Big plan canvas 38%(?) Aug in May 40% Postal Vote strategy by raised.
Bob Eadie - 10 months to Euro election Debate in
RICHARD, CLAIR + BOB, C - Email them as I am talking to Pensioners Group (ticked).
Single outcome agreement - No money behind it - Trojan Horse - Govt will blame local authority for not delivering - Ringfencing was not liked by LA's - (illegible) - we were not listened to by our leaders - How front bench listen - everyone wants to be listened to -
Glasgow East - local cllrs did not do anything, MSP and MP did not put too much out.
Thomas - we target message to communities
Raymond - Values not Income.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Proud to be Scottish Labour. More advertising - Fife Labour logo - Mark will work on That.
Identify vote - mountain of work - concentrate on database. Identify vote in streets - cuts in social work should be with SNP in Fife.
Experience of Housing Services - cllr has to follow up regularly to get this done - filling gap by chasing around. Local S.N has broken down. 1st rate staff with 3rd rate systems and (illegible) processes. Deaf Community.
Ieun Crichton - dont need to wrap myself in tartan, SNP has momentum. IF you are not SNP you lack Scottishness. Address what's Labour ever done for us.
Closer links with Labour and Trades Unions. Getting rid of Incapacity Benefit - Why? Work for benefits release during election probably cost - G.B photo with Thatcher big mistake - SNP did not save Callaghan and let Tories in. Use of socialism or socialist. Most people who contact me probably have not voted and dont know who I am.
Raymond - Party - proud of very local Kinglamie(?, Fife, Scottish, UK international - Saltire with Rose as logo - GB should stay more GB than Presidential - Tony B was showman, charismatic with brains behind him. Serious politician with lack of brains behind him Blairite/Brownite disastrous needs to stop. Local and(?) Nah press against us. Cllr + MSP need to know bigger picture on how we will come Through This.
(Illegible)/popular/politics SNP do well. Glasgow fought OK fight well but lost on local views. Party too close to Industry leaders - get back to
NEW PAGE
JIM WARD
Alex Rowley - John Simpson has come off all Strategic Committees - He has stopped surgeries(?) but he will start back again, PFAM - Mike Rumney ST(?) + AUDIT -
Social work -
Scottish Ass L. Cllrs - Plans on Scottish Policy Forum - 1 man 1 woman - Let D.Ross know. New Group meal schedule will be circulated.
(Illegible) and Levenmouth Pilot with Meurle(?) as Coordinator leaflet for Gleus(?) area of Kily which is part of ASB biggest policy issue. Work ward by ward to get leaflets out.
Spokesperson meeting in next week or so. (Illegible) in group on Communications needs sorted - Lots of material to attack on. ML coordination of MSP meetings needs to be addressed.
Discuss attendance and input to Committees of Fife Council.
Area clTee(?) needs ability to scrutinise Partnerships which have major spending priorities.
Campaign Against Charges - Working with Independents and Tories - concerted effort, All Opposition parties working together. 9/9 next social work & Health clTee(?). Mark will send round The questions and be asked on social work charges.
24/8 2PM East End Park Need to register at Scottish Labour Office - online or e-mail. D.Ross will forward.TRANSCRIPT
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
ClBalgonie new payment from FC to Moffet & (illegible). Bought bus back from Stagecoach.
LABOUR GROUP AWAY DAY 17/24
MR.- Tackle Salmond. West Fife - Chapman never out of Press.
Focus on Nationalists. Campaigning strategy needs to be worked on.
A.R.- Inviting dialogue on gathering views on how we work together and what what our priorities should be, Need to be confident and promote Labour. Big issues - Social work and Housing Cuts. Better coordinate media work. Kingdom FM better contact needed. AR saying busy in morning dry time
Labour Group newsletter done and sent out to all LP members in Fife. Drive further on Coal issues. Feedback form included.
Glasgow By-election - Party in Fife not geared up for modern campaigning - across Fife 5.5% swing to SNP. They work hard to identify their support and get them out. Hold masses of data on SNP support - organisation compared to (illegible) & West Fife LP organisation was was much better. Key Thing was reliability of information coming in. People had voted SNP but we had Them as Labour voters . SNP info was more pliable(?) than ours.
SNP candidate Glasgow councillor - very popular - he got back to (illegible) people, he put off time with people, he kept in touch.
Identity - SNP have taken THE SALTIRE. SNP cllrs are not working the wards. Lab has red flags they have Scotland flags.
TRUST - never seen LABOUR - negative G.B not an issue - Pilot campaign in Levenmouth/(illegible) we fund freepost for that that pilot - follow up will be to Trades Unions for funding. Use contract creator to harness information. Alex got 140 responses even though they had to put a stamp on to respond.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Significantly responses included e-mail and telephone contact. We will run training from office to set up databases.
Mark will be campaign coordinator for Levenmouth area.
Kelty C.C. going crazy on bus cuts.
Cut back on criticism and generate action and if mistakes happen.
SUNDAY 1030 Benaty - some letters to deliver - Take SNP on - non positive on Labour negative on SNP - (illegible) on Liberals - Thomas very active
Bill McColluch - freepost working well in Diline West Fife.
JH- Lost touch as Party - At Coop summerfest youth programme ran concurrently - no attraction for young people - out of date - ethos is South of England based and it does not resonate in Scotland.
Don't gel as a group - seperate people doing our things.
Constantly dealing with constituents - dont understand all issues.
Betty Cumphile(?)- more education needed. I interact with people well enough - people contacted me and Peter Grat who said. Auchnusty(?) Macedonia have had newsletter. Kinglanse(?) is getting isolated. Betty had problems hearing.
LGroup has value for her as new cllr.
Have to complain (illegible) 3 times to get things done New locality manager may help.
Symbolism of SNP and SALTIRE used politically needs to be addressed ass Lab Grp perhaps at enough car stickers, lapel badges, bumper stickers
Ther is an SNP movement - Lab movement has stagnated
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Trades Union contact. Need to sort out things like worker nights. Indus action simpler smoother process.
Cost to CLPs for Labour material is too expensive locally - incompetence Thrives in The Council and customer scoring system is needed.
Tom Adams - what structure do we have where members have a direct say. Dont see management structure.
South Labour identity - Thistle may be our identifier
More affordable to join - better with 4 people at £5 Than 1 person at £20. By-election - economy was not an issue but economy is huge issue - price of gas will put people out of.
Leadership in Scotland is lacking in Party. F.C. on strike - what can we do - on picket lines?
Kay Morrison - Labour's identity in Scotland - need more connection. Not just kilts and flags - Red Thistles talked about for years - work better as group - efect of cuts. More focus more organised - support from HQ welcomed but needs local level support - small number of volunteers - dont pressure The small group. How can we effectively target. Personal identity Labour allegiance and pride in being.
Structure local cllr meetings - plan for creation and delivery of newsletters. Desireability if team meeting regularly writing to all local newspapers would need to be formalised. PROUD TO BE LABOUR. IDENTITY AND PROFILE.
Bill McC - not just an identity issue more complicated.
A.R. wider policy agenda. SNP are riding an identity.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Labour + Trades Union movement - we need to re-focus to That - fell part of movement and family - Party structures are important and we need to review(?) Press pack influencing leadership - Those who are disloyal will weaken and defeat us. We dont do business Through media.
LOCAL - Services to elderly, services to young people
- incontinence (illegible) no (illegible) to increase to bigger size
- Nationally we are not together.
Biggest bus cuts ever locally - hospital + Education - schools - FutureTrust nothing(?) in This Parliament. Economy Tourism (illegible) - Tourism in Fife down from 38 to 9 - East of Scotland team in ML office - only 12.5m for local regeneration. Support down south in construction - no support in Scotland Food & Drink & Tourism - funding cut - none for training - work together.
Claire - How we behaved in Govt - focus on govt and lost touch with local organisations. Student Support and Higher Ed - work with Student movement/NUS. Office in Methil(?) - positive feedback - Central Heating Programme - God local press strategy and keep pressure on Tricia.
John Parlc- lack of acceptance about where we were. View was minority would unravel in weeks. Wendy did the right thing. We governed with longer term decision making - SNP have one-off chance for independence - feelgood factor 2010 NOB mamimum profile and view on independence. 25-26% flatline support now for independence.
SNP well organised party. Salmond 60pts ahead of
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
where (illegible) was. Salmond maybe biggest strength but possibly biggest weakness. Working with cllrs in (illegible) Billy liddle, Upper Forth Crossing, By.Pas campaign, re-regulation of buses. People want Labour to do well in Glasgow East - (illegible).
Thomas Docherly(?) - All member meets (illegible), cllr report, MOP, MSP report. Scrapped G.C. meetings to quaterly. Monthly fundraising - hosting hustings at East End Park on 24 August.
Since NOV (illegible) 40,000 leaflets and 20,000 direct mail. Surveys and canvasing proposes(?) - Big plan canvas 38%(?) Aug in May 40% Postal Vote strategy by raised.
Bob Eadie - 10 months to Euro election Debate in
RICHARD, CLAIR + BOB, C - Email them as I am talking to Pensioners Group (ticked).
Single outcome agreement - No money behind it - Trojan Horse - Govt will blame local authority for not delivering - Ringfencing was not liked by LA's - (illegible) - we were not listened to by our leaders - How front bench listen - everyone wants to be listened to -
Glasgow East - local cllrs did not do anything, MSP and MP did not put too much out.
Thomas - we target message to communities
Raymond - Values not Income.
NEW PAGE
LAB GRP AWAY DAY
Proud to be Scottish Labour. More advertising - Fife Labour logo - Mark will work on That.
Identify vote - mountain of work - concentrate on database. Identify vote in streets - cuts in social work should be with SNP in Fife.
Experience of Housing Services - cllr has to follow up regularly to get this done - filling gap by chasing around. Local S.N has broken down. 1st rate staff with 3rd rate systems and (illegible) processes. Deaf Community.
Ieun Crichton - dont need to wrap myself in tartan, SNP has momentum. IF you are not SNP you lack Scottishness. Address what's Labour ever done for us.
Closer links with Labour and Trades Unions. Getting rid of Incapacity Benefit - Why? Work for benefits release during election probably cost - G.B photo with Thatcher big mistake - SNP did not save Callaghan and let Tories in. Use of socialism or socialist. Most people who contact me probably have not voted and dont know who I am.
Raymond - Party - proud of very local Kinglamie(?, Fife, Scottish, UK international - Saltire with Rose as logo - GB should stay more GB than Presidential - Tony B was showman, charismatic with brains behind him. Serious politician with lack of brains behind him Blairite/Brownite disastrous needs to stop. Local and(?) Nah press against us. Cllr + MSP need to know bigger picture on how we will come Through This.
(Illegible)/popular/politics SNP do well. Glasgow fought OK fight well but lost on local views. Party too close to Industry leaders - get back to
NEW PAGE
JIM WARD
Alex Rowley - John Simpson has come off all Strategic Committees - He has stopped surgeries(?) but he will start back again, PFAM - Mike Rumney ST(?) + AUDIT -
Social work -
Scottish Ass L. Cllrs - Plans on Scottish Policy Forum - 1 man 1 woman - Let D.Ross know. New Group meal schedule will be circulated.
(Illegible) and Levenmouth Pilot with Meurle(?) as Coordinator leaflet for Gleus(?) area of Kily which is part of ASB biggest policy issue. Work ward by ward to get leaflets out.
Spokesperson meeting in next week or so. (Illegible) in group on Communications needs sorted - Lots of material to attack on. ML coordination of MSP meetings needs to be addressed.
Discuss attendance and input to Committees of Fife Council.
Area clTee(?) needs ability to scrutinise Partnerships which have major spending priorities.
Campaign Against Charges - Working with Independents and Tories - concerted effort, All Opposition parties working together. 9/9 next social work & Health clTee(?). Mark will send round The questions and be asked on social work charges.
24/8 2PM East End Park Need to register at Scottish Labour Office - online or e-mail. D.Ross will forward.
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