Sunday, 22 February 2009


David Cameron said in a speech in Glasgow a couple of years ago:

"There's one aspect of Scottish-English relations that I want to address.

It may seem trivial to some but I happen to believe that it's almost more damaging to the Union than institutional or economic difficulties.

It's a question of attitudes.

And, in particular, the ignorance of English people about Scots and Scotland.

All too often Scots switch on their televisions to be greeted with ignorant and inaccurate stereotypes.

Even as an Englishman, I find it a bit embarrassing.

Another aspect of English cultural insensitivity that rears its head in the media is the vexed question of sporting identity.

Why is that Scottish sportsmen and women who win are habitually claimed by English media commentators as 'British' only to be promptly redesignated as 'Scottish' the moment they lose?

Instead of deriding Scots as chippy or difficult, isn't it time that English people of good will educated themselves?

Part of the problem is that some English commentators don't seem to know what to think of Scotland - when they can be bothered to think at all.

They appear seriously confused.

One moment they deride Scots as hopeless drunks and beggars.

The next they complain that England is run by something called the Scottish Raj, a race of superhumans led by John Reid and Kirsty Wark."

Brown's £2bn Tube bail out...THE SOUTH FEAST.......

The Government is having to pay £2billion to clear the debts of failed Tube contractor Metronet, it was revealed today.

The Department for Transport must hand over the money after Metronet's backers called in their loans. It marks a major humiliation for Gordon Brown who as Chancellor was the chief architect of the private public partnership deal behind the debacle.

Metronet had originally raised the cash to cover the cost of its contracts to maintain and upgrade seven London Underground lines. But it went into administration last year with the debt outstanding.

Conservative transport spokesman Stephen Hammond said: "This is an extraordinary sum of money. The contracts should have been more tightly written. We,the taxpayer, are now underwriting the cost of Gordon Brown's failed PPP."

Under the arrangement, pushed through by Mr Brown in the face of fierce opposition, Metronet's backers are entitled to have all their debts repaid exactly six months after the company went into administration.

The Government has been forced to pick up the bill on behalf of Transport for London which is seeking to take over Metronet. "Metronet raised this money and should have invested it effectively, it failed," said a TfL insider.

The complex financial arrangement sees the Government hand over £2 billion to TFL which will in turn pay the money to Metronet's lenders.

TfL said the failure would not cost the London farepayer any more money. But it was unclear exactly how much the taxpayer would be out of pocket.

Insiders said that until TfL got its hands on Metronet's books it was impossible to tell how much work they had done and at what cost.

London Underground managing director Tim O'Toole said: "Our priority remains the removal of Metronet from PPP administration as quickly as possible. A great deal of progress has already been made. Tube services continue to operate safely and reliably for passengers, as they have done throughout the period of PPP administration."

Today's arrangement was triggered by the banks whichwere entitled to call in their debts - a process known as the Put option - from Metronet exactly six months after the company went into administration.

A Department of Transport aide said the deal was equivalent of someone having to pay off their mortgage early.

In a statement a spokesman said: "The settlement gives London Underground the resources needed to manage Metronet's administration and move toward a more stable long-term footing and continue the work to maintain, renew and upgrade the Underground.

"This will have limited net impact on public finances since Metronet's borrowing was already part of the Government's balance sheet."

Metronet, the largest of the two private firms upgrading the Tube, collapsed after running out of cash. Despite receiving around £70 million a month of government money to upgrade nine of the 12 Tube lines - all but the Jubilee, Northern and Piccadilly - it forecast a £2 billion black hole.

This put it in dispute with the Mayor, who frequently condemned the firm as incompetent and called for its directors to be "hung, drawn and quartered".

This condemnation, combined with delays in its work, caused its share price to crash. When it applied for an extra £550 million to keep it going but received only £121 million, the company was put into administration. Despite the collapse, TfL performed a miracle and kept services running - though many of the station upgrades have been put on ice.

THE SOUTH FEAST.Our collective pensions pay a lot of bonuses in the city of London. Scottish money is spent on educating a lot of people who go and live and pay tax in London.

Bureacrats who administer Scotland work and play in London.

Our soldiers go off and fight in Iraq and pay their taxes centrally.

We shop in shops who report profits centrally. We buy things made by companies who report profits centrally. We pay for media based in London..... When you dig down and add on the cash that is not included in the per capita amounts, you find that the SOUTH EAST U.K. is cushioned by billions of taxpayers money which pours into London from Scotland and the rest of the U.K.Scotland’s budget administers a geographic area covering one third of the UK landmass.

The present figures per head are. N.I. £9385. Scotland. £8623. Wales. £8139. England. £7121.These figures only take account of identifiable spending. ie. Money collated to the London account is monies that are spent specifically for the benefit of London.

The figures do not account for, thousands of Civil service jobs stuffed into London because it is “The Capital,”

The Foreign Office-

The MOD-

Dept.of Health-Culture and Sport-

The Treasury-

The Home Office-



Westminster including The Lords, do not count towards the London per capita account as they are regarded as for the common good of the U.K. as a whole.

A massive public subsidy pouring into London that does not show up on the books. These agencies by their very existence create in their wake thousands of spin of industries businesses and job’s to service them. As Scotland is finding out.

Professor James Mitchell of Strathclyde University say’s , there are billions spent on London that are never added to the account’s thousands and thousands of jobs centred in London simply because it is the capital of the U.K.

These jobs are counted as part of the shared U.K. total, never added to the London spend. It doesn’t matter if it part of the common U.K. effort, you can’t pretend that all the investment in London is doing any good in Aberdeen or Devon.

The Millennium Dome, cost £789 million, almost twice as much as Holyrood, for what a white tent?

Money plundered from the Lottery at the expense of the U.K..The Olympics are already at £5bn. And will plunder the Lottery again, starving Scottish athletes of funds for development, and with Scotland forced into a U.K. team many Scottish athletes will never see Olympic fame as they would otherwise in a Scottish team.

The Jubilee rail link at £3.5bn. 3.5 times the estimate for a Forth crossing.Scotland’s entire transport “allowance,” is £2.3bn. The new Euro Star London to Paris line has just cost us the thick end of £6bn. Great benefit to us here in Scotland.

The BBCs budget is £4bn. Half of the Scottish “allowance,” for health.

According to the BBCs annual report, 44,234 hours of TV were produced in London, compared to 2,495 in Scotland. They spent a tiny £106 million in Scotland out of a £505 million outside London. Leaving £3.5 billion INSIDE London, no wonder BBC Scotland is so utterly dire and pathetic.

Institutions classed as “National Resources,” do not count towards London Government spending.

The National Gallery gets £26 million.

National History Museum gets £45 million.

The British Museum gets £45 million.

The National Museum of Scotland is classed as “just for Scotland,” and gets £15 million per annum.

Most of the UKs citizens will never visit these “national assets,” in London, as it is to expensive to travel and stay there.The London Centric Scotlandphobic Union is a giant con and propaganda machine.

And then there is GERS which was compiled by Dr. Goudie was ordered by the Tory’s primarily to undermine the truth put forward by the SNP and many financial experts that Scotland was economically viable as an independent country.

Dr. Goudie has urged politicians to treat GERS with caution as the figures used are pure mythology and propaganda, and have easily been discredited by many experts and the SNP.

The top secret McCrone report said:
It is not possible to compare these figures with an accurate estimate of Scotland’s present balance of payments position. From the state of Scotland’s economy one would expect a balance of payments deficit on current account and a rough comparison of income and expenditure estimates for GDP suggest that this could be of the order of £300m. a year in 1970/71.

Plainly this is a most unreliable figure and it will vary from year to year, but it is probably sufficient to suggest the orders of magnitude. What is quite clear is that the balance of payments gain from North Sea oil would easily swamp the existing deficit whatever its size and transform Scotland into a country with a substantial and chronic surplus.

No wonder then that the Westminster/ UK/ English parliament, (same thing) lies and contorts itself so badly to keep Scotland where they want her. Who wants a partner who you have to subsidise?

Micheal Lynch - Scotland; A new History - points out the the Scottish economy prior to the treaty was growing at around 2.5% per annum based on data from custom duties income.
Post Union there was a collapse of the Scottish economy as it was flooded with cheap imports from England causing major job losses in the burghs which 'free trade' with 'English colonies' did little to offset.

85% of of Scotland's trade prior to 1707 was with Scandanavia, Baltic, Hanseatic League and the Low Countries.

The Scottish economy did not recover to pre Treaty state until the late 1750's as its normal trading partners were blocked by England's European Wars in defence of Hanoverian possessions.

By 1713 the negative nature of the Union on the Scottish economy had been realised and was the main driver behind the Earl of Selkirk's attempt to have the treaty dissolved.

Given the natural resources in Scotland there is no evidence that Scotland gained any economic benefit from the Union during the Industrial revolution and given the many innovative engineering solutions invented by Scots - not the least vital among them being Nielson's Blast Furnace, Watt's Steam engine - the rest of the UK (aka England) would have been chasing an independent Scottish economy.

There is no historical evidence at any level that Scotland has ever had any economic benefit from the Union that it would not have accrued as an independent nation. According to Michael Lynch it would be a brave historian that would return to such 'Olympian pronouncements' on the economic benefit to Scotland of the Union Treaty.

Micheal Forsyth, an ex-Scottish (Tory) Secretary, in his book on the Union Treaty comes to the same conclusion and argues that the Union Treaty no longer has any great benefit to either party and should be revoked.

Meanwhile, GERS (Government Expenditure and Revenues Statistics) leaves North Sea oil revenues out from the Scottish account but Oil companies corporation tax is credited to London. And it puts the entire cost of Trident IN the Scottish account.
They are lying and the know it.

The McCrone report in the 1970's indicates that the Scottish economy would have had rapid and strong growth as an independent nation versus the reality of stagnation under the last 302 years of Union hegemony.


The evidence today is that 50% of all the base load from Scotland's two nuclear power stations is used to prop up the North of England and Northern Ireland as is Scottish Hydro power used to deal with peak demand. Hydro in Scotland is therefore not as viable as it could be.

To meet the UK requirement for re-useable power Scotland is being plastered with wind power and Hydro capacity 'ironically' reduced to ensure that 'UK' i.e. Scottish wind farms get EU grants.


subrosa said...

The London underground saga sounds a bit like the Edinburgh tram one doesn't it? So glad I don't live in Edinburgh, the place is going to look like a war zone for a long long time, just to satisfy people who bought overpriced homes in Leith.

Wyrdtimes said...

awwwwwww - my heart bleeds.

Scotch funding per person is massively over England as a nation.

Thanks for the tartan chicken image though - that'll come in useful. Especially when Scotland the brave once again disproves that myth and votes against independence.

Eventually we will get so sick of Scotland that we will want you gone - many do already.

And when WE the English say the union's over - it's over.

Key bored warrior. said...

So nice to have you along AM2 you disgusting wee coward.

Your "nothing to see, move along," on the false blog gives your arrogant rancid wee mind away as you parade enlessly up and down the blogs and forums with your stone mad ulster loyalist obsession.

You leave a trail like a snail.

You would be a tremendous assest to the BNP who are on the up in England.

A pathetic attempt at incitement to racist hatred you fucking nut case.

Key bored warrior. said...

Subrosa, you will have guessed that the previous was for the reply from the Wyrtimes fraud. It is a wonder that someone who is now so mentally unstable can find his keyboard.

Wyrdtimes said...

I don't know who you're ranting at tartan chicken boy but I have no "ulster loyalist obsession" personally I'm all for a united Ireland, an independent Wales and Scotland.

Fuck the BNP by the way and the same for any other British national cobblers like the shit from the rancid one eyed scottish idiot at number 10.

Home rule for England.

Key bored warrior. said...

The English electorate who can be bothered to vote do not have the spine to vote for a party that would deprive them of their Golden Goose called Scotland. It is our oil money that has kept Britain from the IMF since the seventies and you lot know it.

Read McCrone, in fact just read.

You now need to grow a spine and manage all on your own without us, oh and by the way you can keep the one eyed bogey munching fuckwit, you so deserve him as you let him walk into power uncontested.

Your country is so depleted that you have allowed a gang of Scottish thugs to lead you around by the nose and trash your country for years. After matron Thatcher went bonkers and left you lot were like a ship without a rudder. Ooh matron what will we do. No the jocks have done for you again keep them. An unfortunate persona you have chosen this time, do you keep a log of them so that you don't get confused.

Wyrdtimes said...

Look tartan chicken boy I can see that thinking isn't your strong point but I am not "AM2".

I object strongly to this utter cack you wrote:

"No wonder then that the Westminster/ UK/ English parliament, (same thing) lies and contorts itself so badly to keep Scotland where they want her. Who wants a partner who you have to subsidise?"

Not the same thing at all - there is no English Parliament. Now I'm one of those who sincerely wishes that there was one - but there has been no English Parliament for over 300 years.

BTW tartan chicken boy you can't disown yourself from Son of the Manse Broon - he's all proud scot just like yourself.

He signed the Scottish Claim of Right but denies the English the same rights.

He's in the process of splitting England up into Euro "regions" the English don't get a vote on it.

As for Shetlands oil - it might (just might) have paid Scotland's way for the last 30 years but what about the previous 270 years?

Come on chicken boy get your act together we can't wait for you to taste "freeeeedom".

But will you vote for independence?

I hope so - but I doubt it. At the end of the day Scotland the Brave belongs in the fantasy land of factually inaccurate Hollywood movies.

Beating up wee lassies who sound a bit English or lone England fans is more your style. eh?

Conan the Librarian™ said...

You getting at Spook there by any chance subrosa? ;-)

Wyrdtimes, did you actually read any of the article?

Or are you so entrenched in being anti-Scottish,rather than pro-English, you are taking the chance to make some cheap stereotypical shots?

Tell you what, you get an English Parliament funded by revenues raised in England, and we get one funded by ALL revenues raised in Scotland and I hope we will both be happy.

WV is nonson, Heh.

Key bored warrior. said...

"I object strongly to this utter cack you wrote:"

Ooh no dickbreath objects strongly, well just fuck right of this is my blog you inbred oik, go and bother someone who gives a fuck.

Saor Alba.

PS missing you already.

PPS Thanks Conan, he cannot read more than six words in one stretch due to a severely depleted attention span, that is why brothers shagging sisters is illegal in this country. said...

I have no problem with wyrdtimes wishes, just his anti Scottish bull based on years of lies(mccrone, recent disclosures)

Good blog.

Key bored warrior. said...

Juan, by Gad Sir there is a lot of it about these days.

Slowly but surely the truth is leaking into the mainstream. 10 years ago we would not have dreamed that the SNP would form a government in Scotland and be so competent. Mind you the competition wasn't great, the intellectual vacum on the unionist benches is devouring them.

All they have left now is negative posturing and girning like a wee fat wean at the checkout girning for sweeties. Labours latest faux paux regarding crumbling schools in Glasgow, just shows how thick and dense they actually are.

Saor Alba.

Scot Independent.

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